On an article about WHY people aren't going to anti-war movies. (General consensus - they sucketh like an Electro-Lux with a new bag - why waste the money? The movies aren't being made for US audiences - they're being made for overseas critics.)
Hollywood is casualty of war as movie-goers shun Iraq films
The Hollywood elitists will never understand that the average American does not hate his country, does not think her country is evil, and does not believe that their children in the Army, Marine Corps, Navy, or Air Force, are killing babies, burning down grasshuts, and the like. There are far too many negative stereotypes being endlessly paraded around by the left-wing. Where are the positive stories? No where to be found, like me at a movie theater for any of the socialist drivel pushed by the Hollywooders The problem is that for liberals, EVERYTHING is political. I understand that there is a lot of disagreement about the decision to go to war in Iraq, and as someone who supported it from the outset I admit that I was wrong about how difficult it would be . I don’t think that Bush lied about WMD - though I think he and pretty much every western intelligence agency were wrong (there is a difference between being wrong and lying). I guess I don’t care too much about that point, because it seems that Saddam was would have reconstituted his WMD programs as soon as the scrutiny was off - which would have been relatively soon, since there was tremendous pressure to ease off on the sanctions.
However, that decision is in the past - it now belongs to the historians. We are now in Iraq, and what matters is winning and coming home. What also matters is finding a way to debate the war intelligently without bashing the troops - who are doing a very difficult job, one they were ordered to do, and since the start of the surge this year, doing it with increasing success.
How about a movie that just follows a company of troops at a forward operating base, preferably based on a book or screenplay by someone who served there - no high level debate, no presidential politics, but just a group of young Americans doing their job - their triumphs, fears, losses and good times? If the production values were halfway decent, this would be a guaranteed success for the studio that made it.This is so cool. I grew up in an academic family, vote generally Democrat, but I believe the Democratic party has gone off the deep end into denial. I agree with McCain, that we are up against a long, long battle for the survival of the moderate, responsible, Western way of life, which we have both a right and a duty to defend against what is a transparently inferior way of life. The sooner we get real with the fact that that is at stake, and the sooner we quit villainizing our own leaders who are willing to take a stand and who are doing their best to fix it, rather than placing the blame where it belongs, the better off we’ll be.
But WHY people so transparently lie remains a mystery to me. Bush obviously isn’t Hitler. Why are people comparing them. What we’re doing in Guantanamo (though I’m against it) isn’t what the Sovs were doing in Siberia. Why do we pretend it is?
Lemme see if this comparison fits…some folks start telling the nation that oranges taste like excrement, and because the media agrees, they publish and broadcast this “fact” continuously for several years. Then, when the folks find that some aren’t absolutely convinced as to the “fact”, they arrange for taste tests to occur nationwide - and are shocked that very few people show up for a taste?It may very well. Business as usual just isn't going to fly - and although the MSM is trying hard to ignore issues they can't use, with something like 50% of the folks in the US on the internet it's going to be difficult (if not impossible) to keep the media-crafted facades of the candidates intact.This next election may just shock a LOT of the “folks”…
As far as the Bush=Hitler equivalency thinking... Well - WE don't believe that. I don't. None of my friends do. I'm really surprised at the vocal minority of folks on-line to whom Bush DOES equal Hitler, and Guantanamo is worse than the Gulags.
I know it's simple rhetoric - I know that what they're trying to do is take control of the dialog and turn it to THEIR concepts. The important thing is winning the argument.
Regardless of the cost.
I've wondered at times just what has impelled the left to go so blasted far in their disagreements with the center and right that they WOULD insist there's no difference between Bush and Hitler. Or why there's such a strident insistance that there's a supposed imminent Christian theocracy about to be imposed on everyone in the US... when the real danger comes from a religion that would eagerly kill them if they didn't convert.
I think, though I'm not at all sure about this, that they'd rather hyperventilate over something that MIGHT happen even though there's virtually no chance of it, than actually pay attention and have to respond in an appropriate manner.
When you take action to avert a non-existant threat, anything you do is correct. Sure, your actions might not make much sense - but they're demonstrably the RIGHT actions to take because the threat didn't materialize. You can look like a hero, because you've managed to negate the threat.
And in politics - appearance is all that's important. Substance doesn't matter one bit - the important thing is to make your constituency THINK you're doing something constructive. Get that down - and you're assured of a job for life.
However - going up against a REAL threat brings the possibility (the very REAL possibility) of making a mistake in dealing with that threat. And with appearance being all-important, making a mistake can ruin your career quickly. So you waffle, evade, be non-committal as you possibly can - anything to avoid actually taking a position that someone can look at later and say "You were wrong!"
Nobody likes being told they were wrong. And the folks in Hollywood even less so - the concept of 'wrong' doesn't exist, if they think money can be made from it. So they make movies THEY would go see - can't figure out why they're not popular, and figure it's because they weren't anti-war ENOUGH - and the next round gets worse.
Well, they might figure it out some day. Hopefully before the industry goes bust. I'll pay to go see a movie in which our military are the heroes. I'd pay good money to go to movies based on Michael Yon's works. I won't pay to see a movie which details the US military as being evil. I realize it's hard for Hollywood to believe - but they simply aren't in tune with the domestic audience.
J.
Comments (6)
Unlurking for a moment. Anti war movies? I didn't there were any. I've seen the "Transformers" and I'm looking forward to "No Country for Old Men." But that's about it. A completely miserable season of movies. It doesn't look like it's going to get better.
I've been watching Jekyll. It's only six episodes, but is much better than what's in the theaters.
http://www.netflix.com/Movie/Jekyll/70075070?trkid=189530&strkid=1052655294_0_0
P.S., to get political for a moment, I haven't heard any liberals talking about the politics of movies in years. There's enough in real life. The only place I've seen discussions about the politics in movies are right here in this blog. It seems like you are sensitive to the politics in movies in ways my and my liberal friends are not. For what it's worth...
But on one thing we can agree. Movies are not very good right now.
Posted by Jason | November 13, 2007 6:27 AM
Posted on November 13, 2007 06:27
Fully agree with you there, Jason, on movie quality. Aside from the politics (and I think a part of your lack of noticing them may be because they're congruent with your own assumptions - you won't notice a pair of shoes that's comfortable - but that's as may be) there seems to be an assumption that the consumer doesn't want anything but great special effects and the same actors they've seen in a couple dozen other movies.
And I like special effects - but they shouldn't take the attention away from the plot and the actors.
Decent plots are getting pretty sparse any more. And the current crop of actors are simply overexposed. It's time for Hollywood to come up with something new - and the desire for innovation seems to be conspicuiously absent.
J.
Posted by JLawson | November 13, 2007 7:22 AM
Posted on November 13, 2007 07:22
It strikes me that Hollywood and the political scene have much in common - nothing is 'real', as such - it's all a matter of perception. A set, for example, looks great for the camera, but woefully incomplete from any other angle.
And one thing our politicians know - it's how to look great for the camera. But don't you DARE look at them from any angle but what they want you to use...
J.
Posted by JLawson | November 13, 2007 10:02 AM
Posted on November 13, 2007 10:02
Maybe what we're seeing here is the inevitable result of the marriage between politicians and entertainers...that is...entertainers want to be appreciated for more than their looks, and politicians want to be appreciated for more than their minds. So entertainers have become _serious_ and involved in politics, and politicians have learned to use the tricks of the trade that entertainers use in order to make themselves physically attractive, then both get overwhelmed with their own success. Entertainers think they can run the world, and politicians think they're drop dead gorgeous.
They're both wrong.
Posted by suek | November 13, 2007 11:25 AM
Posted on November 13, 2007 11:25
The relationship between politics and entertainment predates the written word, I'd say.
Posted by Jason | November 13, 2007 12:36 PM
Posted on November 13, 2007 12:36
Never tried linking a comment before - hope it works. This comment was made on Betsy'sPage. I've never seen the commenter before, and never heard of the book. I'm thinking about Christmas these days, and this book looks like one to send... (but there are so _many_...! recommendations welcome)
http://www.haloscan.com/comments/betsynewmark/3787100312559537980/#383410
Posted by suek | November 13, 2007 2:05 PM
Posted on November 13, 2007 14:05