My previous post on this gathered some interesting responses...
AJacksonian said:
I do love the one button I picked up way back when on this topic, quite the way to put things in perspective:Where DOES he get those wonderful buttons?"Question Authority -
Ask me anything."Then there is the 'speak the truth to power' concept, which always assumes that one is unbiased and the wall outlet is biased... which it had better be for most appliances.
Still, the nub of it is that in some way by doing the questioning and speaking one will play upon the conscience of the authority/power. I mean if you already *think* that you are being lied to... then you are doing an exercise in self-fulfillment, but really not much beyond that and definitely not working towards 'making a more perfect Union'.
Questioning competence or even the ability of those with some power and/or authority to do something *right* is something else again, and We the People clearly demarcate not only what the power *is* but what the limits and responsibilities *are*. Thus when I hear a Congresscritter decrying the lack of supplies to the Armed Forces, the Constitution tells me which part of government gets to set out, scope and ensure funding for these things: Congress. Funds may be ill spent, but that is *also* done with full Congressional oversight and mandate by the laws it passes and the resultant bureaucracy it creates. A Congresscritter decrying those things had best look in the mirror to apportion blame and responsibility or realize that they have just indicted themselves as *incompetent* and without a clue as to their actual power and responsibilities.
The extra, special fun these days is the generation that first promulgated these memes is NOW the one in power and authority and they do *not* like being questioned or having 'truth' spoken to them. So lovely, that.
And if one is actually doing the questioning and truth-speaking it is best to know what you are actually talking about... or the actual question and truth one is speaking may suddenly show up one's *own* inability. That would be far more entertaining if those doing that weren't screaming so much about how they want the world to run to *their* liking and biases.... then it is mere juvenile ranting, which wears on the nerves very quickly.
Of course there is a button for every situation, and the best for this is:
"All power corrupts...
But we need the electricity."
OTPU said...
I personally think "Question Authority" is a pretty good motto. I do think its important to point out that for "question authority" to work the questioner has understand enough about his subject to pose pertinent questions, understand the answers, and accurately evaluate those answers for both veracity and relevance.Indeed we did, indeed we did. But as both AJacksonian and OTPU point out, there's a difference between using "Question Authority" to reject whatever's being questioned, and to use it to make sure Authority actually knows what it's talking about. And if you decide you need to Question Authority, you yourself need to know whether the answer you get is right or wrong. Because if YOU can't figure it out, what's the purpose in questioning?That's a pretty high bar for someone who just wants a cool bumper sticker for his VW bug.
P.S. If you listened to the conversations going on around us at Atomicon you heard a lot of people questioning Authority's basic motivation, competence, and intelligence.
If I remember correctly, I'm old and it was a long time ago, you and I might have had a few questions of our own.
otpu
That's why a good education is so important - and why it's worrisome our public education system is falling down on the job so badly.
Dr. Sanity wrote an excellent essay on education/indoctrination, part of which follows...
The 20th century was the battleground where the two totalitarian branches of the collectivist philosophers vied for spiritual and physical control over humanity. The amount of death, destruction and misery they ushered in is perhaps unprecedented in human history.Question Authority... but not the Authority that wants you to question the status quo in the first place.By the mid-20th century, the right-wing, or nationalist, Hegelians, or national socialists (Nazis) had been defeated by an alliance of the left-wing Hegelians and those who stood for human freedom and democracy. By the end of the century, the social systems favored by the Hegelians of the left had been exposed to the world for the lie and deception it was.
But, in this new century, both utopian systems have been given new life by recruited a potent new ally in their attempts to control the minds of men. That ally is postmodern philosophy and rhetoric.
Neither can hope to remain viable in a world where human thought is free; therefore, the goal for the last several decades has been nothing less than to undermine mankind's perception of reality itself. They have been most successful in this goal at all levels of education--elementary, high school and college.
If you can convince children that objective reality is an illusion; that A does not equal A; that black is white; and that good is bad; if you can make them accept that everything is subjective and relative; then you have successfully breathed new life into doctrines that by all objective measures and standards led to the death and misery of millions of people. Through the careful manipulation of language, everything can be distorted, without the messy need to resort to facts, logic, or reason.
For the children of postmodernism, what matters is not truth or falsity--only the effectiveness of the language used. Lies, distortions, ad hominem attacks; attempts to silence opposing views--all are strategies that are perfectly satisfactory if they achieve the desired effect--i.e., furthering the collectivist agenda. Ideas and reason make way for reification of feelings; and freedom is replaced by thought control and preservation of "self-esteem" at all costs.
The postmodern assault as it is used by the new totalitarians of the 21st century is a four-pronged attack to undermine
- Objective reality
- Reason and the rational debate of ideas
- Individual freedom and freedom of thought and speech
- Progress and capitalismThe strategies used are:
- The distortion of language and meaning to undermine the individual's perception of reality;
- The use of direct or threatened physical violence to suppress speech and individual freedom;
- Politically "correct" thought control and cultural relativism to undermine reason and rational debate;
- The promotion of environmental hysteria to undermine progress, industrialization and capitalismThese activities represent the most serious assault on reality, reason, and individual freedom since the defeat of the Hegelian twins in the last century.
Radical Islamic ideology is itself an unexpected combination of several toxic threads of Hegelian thought that have merged in the last 30 years. One thread of this meme is Islam itself--a purportedly "peaceful" religion that is actually historically based on military conquest and coercion of belief through jihad-- entwined with the remnants of the left- and right-wing totalitarian ideologies of the last century.
Thus we see how that 18th century philosophical climate of collectivism is still playing itself out several hundred years later. But the battleground in our time has returned to the battlefield of the mind, where strenuous efforts are being made by the remnants of both to claim the minds of the next generation.
As AJacksonian said - "The extra, special fun these days is the generation that first promulgated these memes is NOW the one in power and authority and they do *not* like being questioned or having 'truth' spoken to them. So lovely, that."
Yes, it is. And I think in the long run, the whole situation will resolve in a way that promotes rationality - but it's going to take decades and the cost is going to be very high indeed. The funny thing is - one man's rationality is another man's sheerest fantasy. The folks wanting the control see it as right and proper that THEY have it, while we see from history what has been done when they did.
Anyway, for a scene of one possible future, we can take a look at the writings of that noted SF Author, Rudyard Kipling, in "As Easy As A.B.C."
‘If you’ve ever been ground-circuited,’ said the Mayor, ‘you’ll know it don’t improve any man’s temper to be held up straining against nothing. No, sir! Eight or nine hundred folk kept pawing and buzzing like flies in treacle for two hours, while a pack of perfectly safe Serviles invades their mental and spiritual privacy, may be amusing to watch, but they are not pleasant to handle afterwards.’It's an interesting read. And with that, I close out this overlong quote-piece...Pirolo chuckled.
‘Our folk own themselves. They were of opinion things were going too far and too fiery. I warned the Serviles; but they’re born house-dwellers. Unless a fact hits ’em on the head, they cannot see it. Would you believe me, they went on to talk of what they called “popular government”? They did! They wanted us to go back to the old Voodoo-business of voting with papers and wooden boxes, and word-drunk people and printed formulas, and news-sheets! They said they practised it among themselves about what they’d have to eat in their flats and hotels. Yes, sir! They stood up behind Bluthner’s doubled ground-circuits, and they said that, in this present year of grace, to self-owning men and women, on that very spot! Then they finished’—he lowered his voice cautiously—‘by talking about “The People.” And then Bluthner he had to sit up all night in charge of the circuits because he couldn’t trust his men to keep ’em shut.’
...
De Forest waited till the last footstep had died away. Meantime the prisoners at the base of the Statue shuffled, posed and fidgeted, with the shamelessness of quite little children. None of them were more than six feet high, and many of them were as grey-haired as the ravaged, harassed heads of old pictures. They huddled together in actual touch, while the crowd, spaced at large intervals, looked at them with congested eyes.
Suddenly a man among them began to talk. The Mayor had not in the least exaggerated. It appeared that our Planet lay sunk in slavery beneath the heel of the Aerial Board of Control. The orator urged us to arise in our might, burst our prison doors and break our fetters (all his metaphors, by the way, were of the most medieval). Next he demanded that every matter of daily life, including most of the physical functions, should be submitted for decision at any time of the week, month, or year to, I gathered, anybody who happened to be passing by or residing within a certain radius, and that everybody should forthwith abandon his concerns to settle the matter, first by crowd-making, next by talking to the crowds made, and lastly by describing crosses on pieces of paper, which rubbish should later be counted with certain mystic ceremonies and oaths. Out of this amazing play, he assured us, would automatically arise a higher, nobler, and kinder world, based—he demonstrated this with the awful lucidity of the insane—based on the sanctity of the Crowd and the villainy of the single person. In conclusion, he called loudly upon God to testify to his personal merits and integrity. When the flow ceased, I turned bewildered to Takahira, who was nodding solemnly.
‘Quite correct,’ said he ‘It is all in the old books. He has left nothing out, not even the war-talk.’
J.
Comments (5)
I would say that roughly 70% of my buttons came from Nancy's Calligraphic Button Catalog, well, actually from Nancy herself at various SF conventions I went to in the 1970's-80's. The others come from all over, but she is the best source as she gloms onto just about anything as she will custom make buttons and then just add *that* to the catalog. Put up a button post way back when on that, and it was a great joy to drag out that heavy vest so festooned with buttons you can no longer see the material.
On the wider point, however, deconstructionist thinking and the even weirder 'thesis + antithesis => synthesis' both turn out to be hard to apply to the real world as neither addresses the fact that in a democracy of Free People the entire spectrum of thought is available, not just along any single line nor duality. If such had worked, we wouldn't be in the multiple messes we are in and the world would be a bright and shining place with all sorts of flesh automotons that only looked like people, but were forever stuck into modes of thought that barely reflect human outlook. That is, in fact, one of the main points of the majority of my posts (like this very lengthy one... ok, they are all lengthy, but it is worse than usual): we are not trying to handle the actual world, but our mental constructs of it which are highly at odds with the actual, physical reality. De-constructing mental constructs doesn't get you anywhere until one puts in a feedback of measurability and then find that the actual world never measures to quite what one was thinking about. Instead of adjusting one's thoughts we have seen people trying to adjust the *world* to conform to their thoughts... pretty authoritarian in outlook, to say the least.
That is why trying to claim something like there are 'popular armed political parties' means that one is advocating tyranny at the point of a gun: that is how such things get their 'legitimacy' not through the consent of the governed. Any political party that sets an internal agenda to come to power by force will then turn over to be democratic. How one comes to power will dictate how one rules, and the use of force to kill your way to power indicates totalitarian outlook when in power. Yet the deconstructionist, post-modern view is perfectly *fine* with coming to power at the point of a gun and then installing that credo to rule by.
And then there are those who wish to do the duckspeak switcheroo and have any word mean exactly what they say it means *this* time. Sorry, that is authoritarian in outlook and seeking to relegate common speech to an exercise in futility. Going after the meaning of "is": that can take a hike. If you are seeking to redefine well established terms and concepts to mean something else and still retain their previous emotional baggage, then that is an exercise in emotional manipulation of others and intellectual dishonesty.
Basically the Left and Right have headed into undemocratic Transnationalist credos that look to remove power from Nations and move a ruling Elite above them. By undermining common thought, the commonality of National affilition and the treatment of individuals as 'units of society' that only have their group affiliations attached to them and nothing ascribed to them as individuals for *being* individuals, that is an attempt to undo all of what has been worked for to get us liberty and freedom. Thanks, but no thanks, I like the idea of Nation States and the ability to have self-government inside such Nations and to have Nations accountable to other Nations as the only means of international reciprocity. Nothing *else* has worked and all larger constructs have turned Imperial.
But that is just me, and I do think strange thoughts.
Posted by ajacksonian | May 20, 2007 1:56 PM
Posted on May 20, 2007 13:56
cool graphic:
http://appealforcourage.org/misc/images/iraqVietnamGraph.gif
Not really off topic, just another example of a knowledgeable person questioning the common wisdom.
Boy, won't the authorities be pissed at him.
otpu
Posted by Otpu | May 20, 2007 3:17 PM
Posted on May 20, 2007 15:17
Man, I haven't heard of her in years! I worked her table at a couple of cons - the '78 and '80 Worldcons. Glad to see she's still cranking out the buttons!
I believe you're correct on the importance of stable, functioning, quasi-independent nation-states. Guess we'll see what happens - I tend to think the EU is going to have severe problems in the next decade or so, and may dissolve in two. It remains to be seen whether any particular country in Europe's going to do a land-grab - I think they all realize that gobbling their neighbor via war isn't going to be worth the cost. But what will we see long term? Can't really tell...
J.
Posted by JLawson | May 20, 2007 8:30 PM
Posted on May 20, 2007 20:30
John - I've tried many times to tell people who talk about the cost in lives of what's happened just how CHEAP it's been. Viet Nam, WW2 - heck, the Allied invasion of Sicily alone had over 5,000 killed in six weeks.
And we're supposed to think 3000 deaths in the process of freeing a country from a dictatorship and getting it on the road to freedom is insupportable? The military planners in WW2 would have been amazed at the low cost in lives of what we've done.
But then - the real problem isn't about lives, it's about political infighting...
J.
Posted by JLawson | May 20, 2007 11:21 PM
Posted on May 20, 2007 23:21
As far as the fighting and overall view of what to do in Iraq, I am actually surprised at how well it is going. I had expected the Republican Guards to have *some* ability to stand up in the field or even do a fighting retreat... but they were broken by exactly *two* sensor fuzed weapons. Took the USACE a couple of weeks to clear out the dead tanks and trucks and such. Can't really blame the RG for disintegrating after *that*, as no one expected the US to announce the end of the armored column in Iraq. And it was delightful to read Bremer's column last week which said, almost exactly, the same thing I have seen analyzing the aftermath and reports that came in, plus having independent observers there cite the same thing. I don't think anyone clearly understood how little civil society was left in Iraq, and we refuse to acknowledge that fact as the main obstacle that has had to be overcome.
In the Philippines, in a year and half of fighting we lost over 4,000 dead, and over half of *those* to tropical climate. And the force was the exact same size as we have in Iraq! That insurgency would drag on for 8-10 years, depending on who you talk to, and one group didn't even take part in the *war*: the Moros. "Yes! We won! Now who the hell is firing at as?" That little COIN job would see stuff that would make al Qaeda blanch. Some of the most grisly fighting ever done by US forces, anywhere. To this day you can still find children with names like: "Teddy", "John", "Pershing". The 19 year involvement in Haiti would end in failure due to ever shifting politics and was a huge 'lesson learned' to the USMC.
It has to say something that the #1 deadliest event in Iraq since this started has not been a bomb, shooting or such: but a bridge collapse due to a 'rumor'.
We went to Iraq more than a bit misguided by our own education system, outlook on life in the ME and how little our political class actually knows about the region. The basic 'do and don't' manual that was handed out was barely thicker than the one handed to our troops heading to North Africa in 1942-3. Yes, *that* bad. Some of the same provisos, too, if memory serves. Luckily we don't put our faith in politicians and bureaucracy, but in ourselves and our Citizen Soldiers. We have overhauled the complete training system from top to bottom and it now *adapts* faster than IBM's corporate outlook, although not as fast as politicians can make excuses for their incompetence.
What we haven't learned there is that, even though the operations were on the offensive, their actual part of getting to the problem is defensive. America *hates* defensive wars. We like dynamics, activity, demonstrable *proof* of things going on... and the fight in Iraq and Afghanistan are not those things.
The actual 'front lines' are in Europe, America's living rooms, South America, Africa (especially the North and East), the Philippines, and the entire set of 'stans. We are losing those fronts, although the Filipinos are doing their hardest against this latest Moro generation. We have just started in E. Africa, but that is also a holding action now. On all other fronts, we are not even on the defensive nor even *present* and that includes America's living rooms. We can thank the Volunteer Fifth Column for that.
After reading up and in depth on what is known about Transnational Terrorism, its melding with organized crime and part rogue Nations play, I can say that America does not understand what it *is* that we are facing. The quaint, hot house era of the Triumphant Nation State wielding sole power is gone. We are getting dragged back before 1648 and that bodes ill to everyone on this Earth. I find it very, very strange that America of the early and mid-19th century would understand this threat *perfectly* and address it. We don't want to think the world could ever return to the guiding ethos of those days, way back when. Our enemies never *left* that era and lived in something more basic and barbaric than it. In the late 20th century we strolled around, found the weather was getting a might bit warm... then the clang of the gates behind us let us know we had entered Hell. One does not stroll through Hell and the way *back* is gone. If we can remember how to march, then we can follow Churchill's edict: "When marching through Hell, don't stop."
Posted by ajacksonian | May 21, 2007 11:04 AM
Posted on May 21, 2007 11:04