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The Blotter

Former Congressman Mark Foley (R-FL) interrupted a vote on the floor of the House in 2003 to engage in Internet sex with a high school student who had served as a congressional page, according to new Internet instant messages provided to ABC News by former pages.

ABC News now has obtained 52 separate instant message exchanges, which former pages say were sent by Foley, using the screen name Maf54, to two different boys under the age of 18.

Now, I'm sure I'm going to catch heat for this, but there's three things about this that really tick me off.

First - Foley's out of office. That's good. That's the right thing to do. He did this sort of crap, he doesn't deserve to be in office. And that's as far as it needs to go. All Hastert had to go on were some suggestive e-mails - not IMs. (and it does make you wonder - where were the IMs all this time? Who'd keep a copy of them, and NOT turn them in? Someone waiting to use this for blackmail? Someone planning on using this for political purposes?) and he told Foley to keep his hands off the kids based on the Emails. If he wasn't aware of the IMs, I don't see why Hastert should resign. Oddly enough, Congress is full of adults - and adults are responsible for their own behavior. That Foley was behaving badly, got called on it (and I presume was told not to do it again, only he did in secret) was what Hastert was supposed to do. When Foley did the IM thing, there was no reasonable way to expect Hastert to know about it. But that Foley interrupted a vote to go pull his pud over IMs - damn, that's sleazy. Good riddence to the man. If Hastert knew about the IMs, then bounce him out also.

Second - if the kids were 16 or above, in DC that's good enough, they were old enough for consensual sex. THAT doesn't excuse his actions, and doesn't make it right by any means. This is a classic case of misuse of power for sexual purposes (IMHO) and his providing booze (and maybe other things) WAS illegal as hell. As such, I don't care if he's an alcoholic and goes into rehab (hey, it works for damn near everyone else caught with their pants down in Washington, or a celebrity doing something stupid - go into rehab and all's supposed to be forgiven) I want to have them indict and prosecute his ass.

Third: We seem willing (at least some are) to give a pass to reprehensible behavior based on our political affiliations. Personally, I think Foley should have been tossed out ASAP when the original emails occured. Frankly, I'd like to see a house cleaning by BOTH parties, though I know that's not going to happen. Too many of the senior 'statesmen' on both parties have crap in their histories that would get them booted out. I'd love to see a tightening of standards, and as I said, it needs to come from both sides. No fingerpointing, no hysterics - just quiet withdrawls and resignations, from both sides.

Jay Tea's summary of things over at Wizbangblog pretty well sums it up for me.

Foley: Rot in hell, you sick bastard. I don't care if you actually broke the letter of the law or not.

Hastert and the rest of the House leadership: Shame on you for not keeping a closer eye on him. But if you had access to the Instant Messages, then to hell with you, too.

The "get Hastert" people: Unless you have solid evidence that they knew about the Instant Messages, shut your pieholes, you partisan hacks.

The people who exposed Foley: You have our thanks. But if you sat on that information for one minute longer than necessary, just to further your own political ends, then you're almost as guilty as Foley, and ought to rot in hell, too.

BTW, after this, I'm now pretty damn sure that the idea of gay Scoutmasters is a bad one. Sorry if that offends you, but can you reasonably make the case that Foley was an exception?

Update: Looks like the page was 17/18. Doesn't make it any more right, but it does make it a bit more legal. Still, I'm not sorry to see Foley go.

J.

Comments (5)

BTW, after this, I'm now pretty damn sure that the idea of gay Scoutmasters is a bad one. Sorry if that offends you, but can you reasonably make the case that Foley was an exception?

I was wondering about that. Are you saying that the mere fact of being gay makes one weaker-willed when it comes to sexual temptation?

It seems to me that a lot of folks would have found this way less icky if Foley were hitting on the sixteen year old girl pages.

Certainly, I've seen a lot of the right-wing pundits blaming this on the left-wing's "homosexual agenda." That's not what you are doing, I don't think, but there is certainly an attempt out there to conflate homosexuality with any deviant behavior that comes along.

It's worth noting that most men who are convicted of molesting young boys identify themselves as heterosexual, and have heterosexual relationships with adult women.

So your boy-scouts are safe just about nowhere, I guess. Your best bet is to get militant feminist lesbian scoutmasters.

Jason -

If Foley was hitting on 16 year old girl pages, plying them with booze and what have you - I'd have the same reaction. If people were suggesting that men were appropriate Girl Scout leaders for the 11 to 17 range, I'd be objecting to that also.

His sexuality doesn't have much of an ick factor to me - what DOES make me go "eww" is that he apparently couldn't think beyond getting his desires gratified, no matter what else was going on, (like a vote) and that he was going after folks who should have been off limits because of his position and influence. THAT reeks.

And I'd be as upset if he were seducing 16 year old girl pages. If he were 25? It'd be iffy - because of his position, not his age. If he were 35 - I'd be wondering if he wasn't in control of his desires. At 52 - you'd think the guy would know by now that you keep it in your pants in the workplace, no matter how 'tempting' the target.

Are you saying that the mere fact of being gay makes one weaker-willed when it comes to sexual temptation?

Nope. As the old joke goes, being bi doubles your chance of a date on Saturday night. But I've really got a problem with anyone who makes their sexuality the primary facet of their personality, no matter which direction their plumbing points, and uses that to excuse anything they might do. Makes you wonder how many folks over the years have interrupted a vote in order to sneak off with a mistress, doesn't it?

J.

Foley is actually a homosexual ephebophile.(attracted to post pubescent children)

This may have been brought about by sexual abuse in his teen years.

Homosexuals are no more likely to be sexually attracted to children than heterosexuals.

However, it must be noted that people that put themselves into jobs and situations with unsupervised access to children are much more likely to be a predatory ephebophile or pedophile.

See my update to this. Looks like the IM exchange was with a 17-18 year old.

See here.

That isn't quite as bad - but the man's a sleaze, and I'm not sorry to see him out of his job.

J.

Yes. Foley is a sleeze and I'm glad he is gone and disgraced.

Now we have to catch the others and out them as well.

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