Rusted Sky

>> We HAVE to lose. Because if we DON'T, then the Democrats will lose face.

Ok... I don't agree there. I really think Dean is just saying what he feels. If you want to harass him for believing that, thats fine. But don't accuse Dean of being 'political'.

The fact is, this is a hard place to be in. Yes, if we pull out those other people are screwed. But how much of OUR national economy and tax dollars do we want to go abroad to benefit others, and how much would we prefer stay domestic? It's a tough question, and really makes you question priorities.

And personally, I think our nation would be better served to redirect this money towards our own security domestically. To meaningful programs instead of this airplane security crap take-your-nailclippers shit. To invest the money in renewable energy and help us stop funding Islamic militancy by giving them petrodollars. Those are my priorities.

Dean's not being political? Not political? The head of the DNC goes on record saying this, and you think he's just saying what HE thinks? That it's NOT political?

Rawb, my friend, just what alternate universe are you living in?

As head of the DNC, there's never a time when what he says in front of a reporter ISN'T politically motivated.

Yes, we're at a hard point. But there's a big damn light at the end of the tunnel, and it's the exit, not an oncoming train. And HE wants to turn back.

They're trying hard to spin this as a lost cause. We're days away from the next election in Iraq, and they're wanting to cut and run. And Dean says we can't win.

How can it NOT be politically motivated, Rawb?

BTW, is there a problem with Oxbeef.net? Couldn't get on, for whatever reason...

J.

Shrug... the only reason Dean is the head of the DNC is because the party grassroots threw him there. Originally, for him, not being president was a failure, and he was done. But the grassroots wouldn't stand for it.

He's totally at opposition with half the party. You see it. The party members, congressmen, senators, all the time refuses to endorse what he says. If he's trying to be political and score points, then he's really bad at it, and consistantly so. No. I completely dont think that he's just trying to score political points.

I think the rest of the democrat party hems and haws, not endorsing what he says, trying to backpeddle, kinda sorta agreeing but never coming out and saying it. THAT is playing politics. Dean just comes out and says it. Screw what people think, or how his words are twisted. Just come out and say what you feel.

Rawb -

I'm getting to be of the opinion that the Democratic party's in deep trouble. It seems like they're choosing - no, it seems like they're just throwing up their hands and running around screaming.

This isn't a good thing to watch. Through the 70's and 80's, when the Democrats were in power, you at least had a nominal feeling that they cared about the good of the country and had a PLAN - and I don't get that feeling any more. The actions of their leadership have me rather concerned and worried (as you could probably tell) and I'm thinking they're on the brink of a schism like we haven't seen since Perot's Reform party.

Time will tell. Political parties morph and change with the times, and if they don't - well, the Whigs haven't been on the ballot for a long time. It could be the Dems will be joining them.

J.

As a democrat who talks with democrats all the time, I don't think we're anywhere near a radical schism. Most people realize that the democrats, right now, are in the minority, and have very little they can do to affect change.

So when you can't change anything, when you'll get outvoted 53-47 every time, when you're not consulted for opinions, when committees lock you out, there's very little left for you to do but sit and bitch. Make the biggest ruckus you can when the other guys exploit their position. Thats all they CAN do right now.

It doesn't have to do with being in the minority thats making them this way. It has to do with the way the current majority behaves regarding them. If you're the minority and the majority is not exploiting their position, and are consulting you, and are trying to bridge the gap, you CAN affect change, and you will. But if the majority refuses to do that, then there's nothing you can do.

You might find it hard to believe, Rawb, but when the Republicans were in the minority and basically locked out of Congress and the Senate, they weren't acting like the current crop of Democrats. And making a ruckus when the opposing party gets something passed is one thing, but there comes a time to STFU and work with the opposition FOR the good of the country. What they're doing is something else again.

BTW, left a message on your blog...

J.